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- From: richard@io.org (RICHARD PERRON)
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- Subject: Re: Edelman fallacies (was Re: Skeptic fallacies, a select few)
- Date: 20 Jun 1996 06:27:48 GMT
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- Michael Edelman (mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu) wrote:
-
- : You know, it can be shown that every person on earth can be linked
- : to any other person on earth through an average of 5 links through
- : other people! Amazing, innit?
-
- : It also suggests that the likelyhood these people cited by Vallee never
- : heard any of the saucer stories before their claimed encounters is
- : near zero.
-
- : And the claim that they had "never come in contact with peple who
- : read Amazing" is just plain unsupportable.
-
- : , the
- : : accounts read (substantively) just like modern cases.
-
- : : PASSPORT TO MAGONIA UFO SIGHTINGS DATABASE (partial)
- : : ------------------------------------------
- : : UFO LANDINGS (1868-1943)
- : : ------------------------------------------
- : : DISKS OR OVOID-SHAPED UFOS (pre-1943)
-
- : : ** Scanned in by Don Allen ** Edited by Lloyd Jacobs
- : : =====================================================================
- : : May. 15, 1879 Persian Gulf. Two very large "wheels" were seen
- : : 2140 spinning in the air and slowly coming to the surface
- : : of the sea. Estimated diameter: 40 m. Distance be-
- : : tween the objects: 150 m. Speed: 80 km/h/ Duration:
- : : 35 min. Witnesses aboard the ship "Vultur" (Round
- : : up 17; Anatomy 12)
-
- : Note that estimate of ditance and size are interdependant, and impossible
- : to perform with sightings from a single point of an unknown object.
- : Sightings
- : over water eliminate any possible reference to compare to. Was it 40m
- : objects, 150m apart? 400M objects 1.5KM apart? 40cm objects 1.5M apart?
-
- : And so on...
-
- You missed my point. You cited a story from "Amazing" magazine that was
- published in the early forties and I gave you examples of sightings that
- predate the forties. Trying to analyze a sighting of over a century ago
- might be a waste of time.
-
- I'm guessing that you interpret the above case as being a lenticular
- cloud formation and that could very well be true.
-
- However, given (for just a minute or two) that UFOs are visiting metallic
- craft of some sort, that they sometimes appear in a disk-like
- configuration and that the phenomenon is possibly ancient (predates 1940
- at least), then obviously it is "predicted" that there should be at least
- be a sprinkling of reports of disks before 1940. There are indeed some
- reports to meet that necessary condition.
-
- I'm certainly not trying to prove any particular hypothesis using ancient
- reports but simply showing that the phenomenon of unidentified
- flying disks goes back further than some would have us believe.
-
- Here is another pre-1940 precedent that is more explicit.
-
- Feb. 22, 1922 Hubbell (Nebraska). William C. Lamb was follow-
- 0500 ing strange tracks when he heard a high-pitched sound
- and saw a circular object intercepting starlight. It
- became brilliantly lighted and landed in a hollow.
- Soon afterword, a creature over 2.4 m tall was seen
- flying from the direction where the object had landed.
- It left tracks in the snow, which Lamb followed with-
- out results. -Magonia
-
- Lloyd
- (ab922@torfree.net)
-